Hu♓bSpot for me is the nu🐭mber one tool when it comes to looking at data and metrics. It's so user-friendly I am NOT a techie persoꦰn whatsoever when I get into like Google Analytics and Google Search Console and all that stuff It's a little over my head

Yeah

HubSpot caꦯn be too be🐻cause there's so much in there But if you really like dive in the🔥re's kind of a way to do Everything like there's been certain problems that I've wanted to solve like I really want to get a report on this ꧂like𓂃 how do I? ꦑDo it and sometimes it takes a little bit of trial and error and solving a puzzle, making a workflow. How do I make this work?

But there's kind of a way to do everything. So I would definitely recommend it to all marketers ou🌠t there.

Welcome back to Endless Customers.

My name is Alex Winter. And today I'm joined by Corin Cook, who is our Senior Marketing Manager aꦇt Berry Insurance. Welcome to the show.

Thanks. Thanks for having me.

Thanks for being here. And we're live. We're at Impact Live. We're in Chicago. We're learning a lot. We're like🅰, I feel like at so✱me points today, kind of

drinking from a fire hose.

So much great information. Yeah, definitely.

Are you having a good time so far?

Oh, for sure. This is my fifth conference, I believe. And every time I just get so much outꦅ𝔉 of it to bring back to the team.

Excellent. Excellent. So I think a good place to start, for our listeners and for our audience, is to talk a little bit about Berry Insurance and give people the high level wಌh🌱at Berry Insurance does

and how your journey started at Berry Insurance.

Sure, so Berry Insurance is a small, independent insurance agency, family owned. We've been around for over a century and we're located in Franklin, Massachusetts. We offer both personal and commercial insurance.

Nice.

And I started there in 2019. So actually after our owner, Kaitlyn, she attended an impact conference in Hartford, saw Marcus Sheridan speak there and said, we hav🔯e to do this🤪 whole, They Ask, You Answer thing. So she came back,𝔍 had the whole team read the book.

And then at that point, she decided to hire a content manager, which⛦ is when she found me, brought me༺ on the team. I started doi🔜n🍸g all of the content manager things, blogging, writing a ton, working on the website. And then after a💯bout𓃲 a year, we brought on a video producer

and now we have a content writer who took some of that load off of me and also a community manager. So we've grown a lot in marketing in the lasꦫt five years. That's amazing.

There's been a lot of growth. And I was lucky enough to come film a customer journey video a few years back because you guys have been crushing it. So were y🎀ou previously doing content manager type stuff or was this your first time in that role

as being a content manager? First time i✤n that role, prior to๊ that I was doing, I started off in journalism and then I was doing a little bit of PR and it's internal writing the newsletters for co💖mpanies, for the company I worked for.

But then when I came to Berry Insurance it's the first official content manager role.

Cool.

John has some really great questions that he put together, right? And I wanna hit some of these questions. We're talking about insurance, and that's something that everyone has to have. Everyone has to deal with.

It's like a necessity in life, right? So is that something that most people don't know a lot about? And if 𓃲that's true, how does Berry influence the market and educate people and get them the information that they need to make better buying decisions

and make better decisions overall? Yeah, definitely, that's a good point. It does touch almost everybody's life, but most peopℱle don't really thin♔k about it very often. You think about it when you first need to get it or upon renewal if you have a good agent

who's gonna actually sit down with you and make sure everything's up to date or if you have a claim. So it's really not something that's on top of mind for people. So꧟, you know, the whole catchy, fun marketing strategy

wouldn't really work for someone like us. I mean, we still do our fairﷺ shaไre of fun, catchy things, but th𝓡at's more for community purposes and reten🌞tion. So that's why the They Ask, You Answer prin🌺ciples and education really do work for us because insurance is such a confusing topic.

There's so many different types of insurance, so much that goes into it. So, you know, over the past few years, we've written hundreds of articles on insurance and we have hundreds in the queue. There's so much to write about.

💞And it's always great ꩲto have that information out there for people who want to look up a question and find an answer, because it's not easy for them with some of those questions.

Yeah, yeah, no, and I was fascinated with what you were doing. And I felt like you and Kaitlyn were ꩲa drivꦡing force of getting this content out and starting th🐭e blogging train where most insurance companies aren't doing that🌸. Most insurance companie⛄s don♐'t have a content manager,

don't have a videographer on staff.

And years later, they still aren't. I feel so ahead of the game in the industry.

Yeah, so how has that affected the success of ga💜ining ꦜnew customers and building the business as you've scaled over the years?

It's been great. We've grown so much. We see even, not even lookiꦆng at the data, we've seen it,🌊 personal stories, people coming to 🥃us and telling us how much things have impacted them, the articles they read, how great videos you made are, how informative they are, wꦏhether or not they're a client of ours or someone who just found u✨s online and sa𓆉id,

wo꧅w, thanks for this. This𝕴 is great information. So we've grown a ton. We've had to add a couple new account managers. Like I m🎉entioned, marketing has grown. So there's just, it's been🔥 tremendous.

Yea🐲꧒h, that's amazing. So as a content manager, I know you've advanced in your role and the company's gro༒wn, but when you were do𝔉ing your content manager thing, is there like a blog or something that really stood out🍨 to your point of like, you had somebody come in and they were like, this helped me out so much. And I made a way better decision because of it. Like, do you have a story you could sha🃏re with us

that's kind of like that? There's one situation that was kind of st🌜range for🦩 us. When the pandemic happened, there was something called EIDL loans. And I don't even remembe🐻r fully what that was aboutꦰ, but we wrote an article on it.

It had to do with insurance and everybody🀅 was looking it up because everybody, I think it w🎐as small businesses nꦏeed to apply to like a loan to help their business during that time and they nee꧒d to the certain type of insuranc🔜e foꩵr it. And so we wrote about it, we were the first ones to write about it, the only ones, and so that article blew ♐up a🐠lmost to a point that we needed to like we had to start p🌠ut🤡 like a header on it like we

only serve Massachusetts, we're getting all these calls. Oh like all over th🍸e country? Yeah, all oܫver the country like every 10 minutes you could hear a receptiꦉonist pick up the phone and be like so𝓰rry we only serve Massachusetts. So 🌠that was really cool to see like how much of an impact a bཧlog can have. And it also really helped give us a lesson in how to cater our content ✱better. It's goo𝓀d to have out there for people who want that information, but to cater it to show this is our audience, this is who we serve.

Right, and this is the state tha𝕴t we're living in.

Yeah, that makes sense.

So let's talk a little bit, too, about how HubSpot plays into all this, right?𒁏 So having a CRM or having a centralized place where you can store all this content and𝓀 you can track all th🔴is data, how, had you messed with

HubSpot befor🥃e or was this like your first foray into using a CRM like that? So when I started in 2019, w𝔉e did have HubSpot, but at that time it was really only being used for email 🧔marketing communications. Our website was on WordPress and so 𒐪in early 2020, we decided we were going to redo our website and we had ⭕the option whether to stick with Wo✃rdPress or do HubSpot.

Immediately I said, please HubSpot. I know just from the email newsletters we ha𒈔d sent out and stuff, it's just ꦑso user-friendly. I did a little research and I'm like, yeah, this is definitely the right decision to move over to HubSpot.

And after we did that, it was really a g🃏ame ch🎃anger being able to have all of our content up there, all of our videos, everything just integrated into🐲 the site and being able to look at the the analytics of everything and see what's performing well, 𒈔what isn't, how can we, you know, change just looking back a🌃t blogs like this one is performing well, what c🔯an we look at in terms of data to see how we can improve it so it

sta𒅌rts performing better. There's just so much you can dive into in there and you can see we have our emails integrated so you can see everybo🀅dy's, you know, customer journey if you want to and allও of our clients and customers and what's working🐬 for them and what's working for us. Yeah, it really helps to make better decisions. And even though they may be tough, like if an article isn't working, it gives 💜you the

chance to like update it and fix it and make it better so that you can 🀅serve people better and meet them where they are. Absolutely. 💙Yeah, that's cool that you were in the headspace for that. So how does HubSpot today as you've evolved play into෴ like your overall strategy and how

you create content as a team?

So in terms of data, it's actually kind 🎃of maybe a controversial answer, 🧸because we do th🌌ings a little differently. I don't think 𓆏a lot of business owners would agree. Bu🧔t we don't really use the data in🦹 HubSpot to track our success, per se.

One of the reasons is that we have an꧋ insurance-specific CRM that we also have to use the account managers, an𒀰d it does not yet integrate with HubSpot. So we can integrate with Excel spreadsheets and stuff, ꦐcertain reports, but it's a time cons♕uming thing. And it's just never been, we're♉ a small company and our ow꧃ner

sees the success and day to day stuff. So she's always🌟 like, I don't reall♕y ca💟re about the numbers, I can see it's working, I can see it's working. But what we do really heavil🧸y use it f🎀or is seeing what's working well, and how we can improve u✅pon things based on that. So right, like leaning into it ౠmore, like if you see something

that's really working, you can create 🌜more content similar to that

to just like really push it forward.

Definitely. You look at the blogs that are working well and eve♒rything and just say, this topic's really workingღ. Well, of course, I always go ✱to our account managers first and foremost and say, hey, what questions are you being asked

to really see what they'll use. And we also use HubSpot to track the content that they're sending out so we can see what they're actually using too.

That's great. And how does your sales team and the rest of the team, how do they ✃feel using HubSpot and having their emails tracked? Was that like a processཧ getting them to star💞t using the CRM and to start really

lౠike leveragin﷽g this to their advantage? Or what was that journey like for you? If I'💞m being honest, the account managers don't really use it too🍌 much per se. It is tracked throug🧸h their꧟ emails and on the marketing side we kind of look at some of that, but they don't really dive too heavily into it.

Gotcha, so it's really more for you and your team on the marketing side to just really get a sense of what's going on and have like

your finger on the pulse basically. Yes, definitely.

Cool, very cool. So we know that better data means better decisionꦆs. We've been talking about that a little bit. What information from HubSpot is like critical that you really focus on? Let's get granular💯 on like what are some of the metrics

and things that really help you make

the decisions that you make? So in t🌃erms of,✨ we definitely use it a lot for articles. We t﷽rack web traffic, but we also do a ওlot of just like 𒁏looking at what articles are performing well each month. Aꦑnd then also, we have a really built out content library that we use internally.

So 🐬each quarter, we'll pick a꧙ couple different types of insurance and do an audit on every single article in that type.

Oh, great.

So we'll go in and look at the bounce rates and time on page, that sort of thing. Our content writer does a lot of that. He'll go through and say like, people drop off this article early, maybe we should add🌃 an intermed🍷iate CTA in the middle

rather than just have it at the end to see if people want to take action sooner. Or if the bounce rate is high, could mean li🍨ke maybe it's title isn't really portraying what they think they're going to be getting when they get into it.

So we get re🐓ally granular on looking at each article and making su🍌re they're all optimized and up to date so th𝕴ey're performing the best that they can.

Yeah. And that's critical. We do that too. So Austin over here and I💃, we do a lot of video contꦓent and a lot of content in general and it's the same thing. We are always l⛦ooking at engagement and where people fall off and looking at watch time

and then also tweaking titles. Titling is huge and I don't🔴 think people realize how important if your tiಌtle is positioned correctly how that affects if people will engage with the content or not.

Yeah, absolutely.

So what do you do to shift? Like if you're looking at some of these metrics and you're seeing that maybe it's not optiᩚᩚᩚᩚᩚᩚ⁤⁤⁤⁤ᩚ⁤⁤⁤⁤ᩚ⁤⁤⁤⁤ᩚ𒀱ᩚᩚᩚmized fully, what's that process look like? Do you like go back to your team and then like how do you start to like try to

fix the titles or update things so that it does, it does work to your advantage?

Yeah, so our content writer, Robbie, he'll tend to look at each, you kno𝄹w, 𝕴aspect of it and he'll, in a lot of t💞imes, he'll ask the team like, hey🍰, this isn't performing as well, is this still accurate, is this any way we can make it ꦆclearer and kind of just go back in and change things up a little when we needꦆ to. Nice.

So for other content managers out there an🍷d for marketing leaders out there, what advice would you give them for if they're not u💯sing HubSpot or CRM and what maybe would you tell them to like encourage them to like, hey, this is going to help you do🐠 your job better and help your team do your job better. HubSpot for me is the number one tool when it comes to loo🅘king at data and metrics. It's so user-friendly.

I am not a techie person whatsoever. When I get 🎶into Google Analytics and Google Search Console and all that stuff, it's a little over my head. Me too.

It's intimidating.

No, there's a lot.

Yeah, there's a lot there. There really is. And HubSpot can be too because there๊'s so much in there, b🐈ut if you really dive in, there's kind of a way to do everything. There's been certain problems that I've wanted🔯 to solve. I really want to get a report on t꧅his. How do I do it💮? Sometimes it takes a little bit of trial

and error and solving a puzzle, making a workflow. Ho𝔉w do I mak🦩e this work? But there's kind of a way to do everything. So I would definitely recommend it to all marketers out ☂there.

For your experi🍸ences, I know you worked with the IMPACT 🀅team. You had some coaching and training. Did that help with your learning curve and 🤡getting y🐓ou to understand HubSpot better and to leverage it to your advantage?

Definitely. Like I said, there's so mu💝ch🏅 in there that you can do. They're always changing around where s🍌tuff i🃏s too, so it's making updates. It was definitely good to have that training. Still to this day, I go to Joe at Impact

and I have a question, be like, I'm really trying to figure out how to make a report for this, but I'm not sure that this is quite gonna work how I want it to. Can you help me out?

The training was crucial. Joe Bashir is a HubSp✤ot expert. Yeah, he's unbelievable the stuff that he knows Yeah, I've solved many problems for me He's really goo🎃d people yeah, there's a question here that I think is really interesting I want to ta🥀lk to you about so🦂 John put in is there a particular workaround or like a hack that

You li♌ke to share with th🔥e audience that maybe has really helped you do your job better

Sure, so one thing that has been kind of helpful for us, that actually one of the things I just mentioned that I was really trying to 🌠figure out a report for that I reached out to Joeꦫ, is we really wanted to see which content was being used and sent out and how each of our account managers were doing in terms of sending content out. It took a bit of figuring ou🌞t how to find exactly what we wanted. But we made a report for both ꧅articleꩵs and videos. And using the email tracking, we basically said, if an email contains the ꦉword article or video, and it would pull up a report of all tho🍷s🌌e emails. So 💯in our⛦ content library, basically all we had to do, it took a lot of time,

but we had to ad🤡d article colon video col♔on in front of everything. And that's where all the account managers c♐opy and paste 🤪from. So if article or video appears 🍎in an email, it shows up🤡 in the report. And that'🔯s something that's helped intꦜernally too, because that's a goal that the team has to send a certain amoun📖t of articles and videos each month.

And so it's been really cool to be able to 🏅go in there and track that data and also see w🎐hich content it is, because I can go into each email and see what are they using and what situations are♈ they u♋sing it. So that's been really cool to test out. So you're using the semicolons to almost tag

th𝔉ese specific keywords that you know you want to track.

Yeah. It kind of serves as a hashtag💟 because it's going to be, because they copy and paste that title, 🥃so it'll say article, colon, video, colon, and just using that term shows when it appears in an email.

That's really cool. I think a lot of peo💧ple are going to find that helpful.

Yeah, that was a fun one to start.

Nice, very nice. Since using HubSpot and integrating ♉HubSpot, have you seen a difference in conversions and i🉐n sales? And can you talk maybe a little bit about how that's affected numbers?

I mean, can I see a difference? Not necessarily, but that's because we didn'ꦡ🍬t know before. Like, it was the lack of knowledge. It wasn't until we got HubSpot 🧜until we could real🧸ly look at how much our form submissions, I mean, they've definitely skyrocketed

since we started using it at the beginning, but what it was prior to that, like, we really don't know. That was not something we were ever looking at. So it's been cool to see, like, you know, how many peop🔯le. We look at each month, web traffic as well as new 𓆏contacts

and then which contacts I actually converted. And every time, usually I'll go into each cont꧃act too just to like check out their customer journey because it's cool to see like, hey, look, I'll bring it to the team. Look, Shelly, you did a great job this month,

assignment selling with this. This person went to all these web pages that you sent them this article. They ch🌠ecked it out, they reꦇached back out the next day. So it's cool to share with the team like what you're doing is working

and assignment telling really works.

Totally, no, it's amazing to go from not tracking any of this stuff to now really hyper focusing on what you said, the customer journey. And what that looks 𝐆like is you can really fine tune that and customize it to a place where it's exactly how you want them to experience it.

It feels really concierge and you're meeting them where they are, you're building trust.

Yeah, I was so amazed when I started, because before I never really did any sort of website management.🌌 I knew you could track traffic and certain things, but the fact that I could just kind of look at all of our clients and see

wha🙈t they're looking at on ou♛r website is pretty amazing. I had no idea you can go that detailed until I really started doing it.

Yeah, so cool. So for everyone out there that's listening♊ and watching, you gotta get your Sierra up and ⛎running because you-

You can do some digging.

You can do some digging, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it could really help your business. So we're at IMPACT Live. We're in Ch▨icago. We got it We got to ask the question. How is IMPACT Live? I know this 🌳is your fifth. You said yes Wow That's a lot of impact 📖lives to come to that's really cool So why do you keep coming back and what's what's uh, what's most exciting about coming to these🔥 events for you?

I feel like over t𝔍he years like 🐠when we first started out with IMPACT we had relationships with so many different people on th𝕴e team You know weekly meetไings with different trainers and t🐈hey helped so much just bring stuff to our attention that we we♊ren't even aware of and now that𝕴 we've sort of graduated a little ཧbit we don't really talk to them unless we have a specif💧ic like thing ꧟we want to solve an issue we want to help them work through we just don't

have that communication as much any💟more so I'm very ad🌟amant about going to all of these🍌 because every time I come I say wow this new stuff's going on and this is great and I got to like dip my toes back into some of the stꦉuff that if you're not doing 🎃it all the time you can fall off✤ on certain things so it's really ꧑like ref🔜reshing and motivational to come back here a꧅nd be like, oh ye🎶ah, we do really need to focus in on this.

We do really need to keep optimizing our website and keep adding new self-service tools. And there's always just, it's invigorating. And I love hearing from other companies here too and what they're doing, because everyone's doing so many amazing things and everyone's doing

the ask you answer a little bit differently in their own way. So I love𒁏 getting little nugge🅠ts from other people to bring back to the team𒆙 and say, hey, we should test this out.

Right.

Right. No, it🤪 is definitely a good re꧒fresher to get back into the They Ask, You Answer mindset. And I agree with you, too. I think some of the coolest parts about what💜 happens hꦏere is other industries and other people t🍒hat you get to

interact with, you get to see ꦰthe ways that they use Tꦰhey Ask, You Answer that might be different than how you're usinওg it, could 𝔉give you ideas that maybe you never would have entertained in the past.

Yeah.

I've gotten so many great ideas. We have been ꩵable to start using They Ask, You Anawer not on⭕ly for clients, but alꦺso for recruiting and internally with our own team. And I think that idea started here, somebody talking about how they made

a separate learning center for careers. And I did that, I made a career learning center 🍸that's filled with content🏅 for basically every single, just general working at Berry Insurance, but every single one of our roles as well. And so when I'm hiring someone for marketing,

iꦺt has made a world of difference to be able to say, read these two articles first, here's everything you need to know. If 😼you're still interested, 🤪let's have a conversation. So now I use assignment selling for recruiting and it has saved so much time for me,

getting on that initial phone call and realizing someone is just not really aware, it's not what they're looking for. So, and that's been a huge thing that I got from just a person's idea here.

Yeah, that was, I think, was that in Boston? I'm pretty sure that happened in Boston. Yes. Yeah, because I remember being, I think I was in the room too.

I think it might have been ATS who was doing it.

Yeah, yeah, and I was blown away with that too.

Yeah, and I wasꦰ like, wꦰe're doing that immediately. I've got to do that.

Yeah, no, it's crazy🐼 how wel♚l They Ask, You Answer works on the client-facing side, but it also for recruiting is, it's great. Yeah. It helps you get better recruits andꦿ better talent, bu𝔍t it also is great for people that are applying

because when you go through assignment selling and you go through the motions, you can disqualify pretty quickly and know if it's not a good fit or if it is a good fit and you wanna really

let it go out for this job and take the next ⛎steps. Yeah, definitely. I mean, I used to have so many phone calls where I'd get to the end and they're like, actually, I was📖 really looking for something rem🌱ote and I was like, yﷺou didn't know that from the begi🌼nning?

Like, so now we have like everything laid out, everything about the job. And it really helps too. We have usually for each position, there's like a day in the life article and FAQ article. Cool𒁏. And it kind of covers most of what they need to

know and so when we🌳 do sit down for interview, we can⛦ really like dig deep and say like is this the right fit 🔯for you, is this the right fit for us and so it helps us like di꧋ve deeper quicker. Yeah, that's awesome. So I know we're only like halfway through day two but is tꦰhere anything that you've seen or heard so far that like you're going back and that's the first thing 𓂃you're gonna implement

when you get back?

Yeah, like I mentioned, there's always something that I realize that I'm not doing enough of that I need to get back into, and just seeing Vin's talk 👍about optimizing your web𝓀site and how it's performing and how important it is, I know I don't do enough of that.

We redid our website in 2020, and 🍨we're like, it's pretty good, it's working well🐭, but I need to really do an audit on everything and make sure it's still, because things change in the world💝 of the internet, and it's very imꦯportant to make sure your website

is u♈p and running. So I'm chomping up a bit to dive deeper on that stuff and

make sure it's performing well. That's a good one. We actually just inte💧rviewܫed Vin not too long ago about websites and w📖het🌜her to use WordPress or HubSpot and he talked a lot about how your web🥂site's a living breathing thing and even though it might be great when you redesign it, you can't like set it ✱and forget iꦆt and not ♔touch it for a few years. You have to keep up with it. So that's definitely true.

And for everybody out there, Vin Gayat is our l🌺ead web strategist here at Impact. He's also just a web developing guru. I don't know how he does what he does. He's a wizard. Yeah. Anything bef🔥ore we wrap up that you want to share or that we haven't talked about?

No, I'm just excited to, you know, see wha🏅t other segments we ha🌳ve today, chat with some more people. I always get so much out of it. So I'm excited to keep going.

Well, we're pumped to have you here. Thank you so much for being on the show. For everyone out there listening, we always do this at the end. If they 🙈have questions anౠd they want to follow up with you, what's the best way to get in touch with you?

Shou🙈ld they hit you up on LinkedIn or you on Im𝔉pact Plus? Like what's the best way? Yeah, I'm on LinkedIn, Impact Plus. Yꦺou can email me, you can look ♌me up on the website, Ber♛ry Insurance website, email me, whatever, w💮hatever. Sounds good.

We'll make sure to drop her info in the show ꦛnotes if you have any follow-up questions. But that's our show. Thank you forꩵ being on the podcast. We really appreciat🌄e it. Great. Thank you so much. That was great.

Absolutely. All right, everybody, this 🐠is Endless Customers. I'm Alex Wi🎃nter. Absolutely. All right, everybody, this is Endless Customers🉐. I'm Alex Winter.

We'll see you on the next episode.